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clauclauclaudia
clauclauclaudia
Claudia
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 06:31 pm
Various thoughts: serious

[I hate IE, where hitting "backspace" at the wrong moment caused me to lose a long update. *sigh* Reconstructing as best I can, and this time splitting in two:]

* H153: (click the second link) You know, I'm not a rabid atheist, really I'm not. And I have respect for religious faith. However.

However, I have a big problem with this bill. In particular, with this phrase: "Whereas all of the various faiths of the people of the United States have recognized, in our religious traditions, the need for fasting and humble supplication before Providence;"

Leaving aside whether this leaves atheists out in the cold--Bush Jr. is not the Bush who declared "I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." That was his father. Nevertheless, it's a sentiment I see reflected in his actions--but leaving that aside, it is just not true that all faiths do that. The resolution reflects either a rejection of some spiritual beliefs, or an ignorant assumption that all faiths are basically like the ones the writer is familiar with, just repackaged.

Good way to express unity.

I think, if the weather and so forth allows, I shall organize a nice public picnic on whichever day this is declared for.

* I was too angry about the Adrien Brody's treatment of Halle Berry at the Oscars to post about it all this week. Luckily for me, an L.A. Times editorial said it for me. (If you don't want to register, bselig/bselig will get you into this and many websites.)

I really hope Berry didn't feel as bombarded during the Oscars as I did on her behalf. From where I was sitting, they didn't treat her like an accomplished actress, a colleague, and a member of the vaunted Academy, they treated her like a piece of ass. Especially Mr. Brody.

* IRAQ-O-METER

* The Boston Globe didn't print Boondocks today, presumably because of its anti-war message. http://www.livejournal.com/users/miss_chance/19628.html for details. ombud@globe.com to voice your opinion.

Current Mood: angry angry

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firni
firni
Some people play tennis, I erode the human soul
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 03:36 pm (UTC)

The link to the LA Times editorial goes to my livejournal, dahlink.


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firni
firni
Some people play tennis, I erode the human soul
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 03:36 pm (UTC)

Aaaand you fixed it. Probably before I hit "post".


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clauclauclaudia
clauclauclaudia
Claudia
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 03:39 pm (UTC)

Heh, ayep.

Actually, it was a blank link, so went to the base page of however you were reading the article. For me it went to my journal.


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firni
firni
Some people play tennis, I erode the human soul
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 03:41 pm (UTC)

Oh, and I didn't even know who Adrien Brody *was*. Had to look him up on IMDB.

Oh, so he's the guy from "Summer of Sam" who got his ass kicked. Okay. Has he improved since then?


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clauclauclaudia
clauclauclaudia
Claudia
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 03:42 pm (UTC)

I don't even know, I haven't seen The Pianist.

Or Summer of Sam.


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kightp
kightp
Jezebel
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 04:52 pm (UTC)

Regarding H153: Any idea what date they've designated for this "prayer and fasting" thing?

Because depending on when it is, I think I'm going to see if I can sign on with the kitchen crew at the local homeless shelter ... and maybe invite some likeminded subversives over for a potluck dinner.


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clauclauclaudia
clauclauclaudia
Claudia
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 04:58 pm (UTC)

They haven't. They've called on the President to declare it.

So as soon as we know what Gore thinks, we can act!


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drdemure
drdemure
DrDemure
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 05:05 pm (UTC)

I, too, have problems with this bill. Being as Grey is an agnostic, and I'm the next best thing to being there, we have problems with people forcing religion upon us when we are not feeling the need to have any. I spent many days being sick to my stomach over this action, but none of it was spiritual in the sense that I felt a need to call upon god or that the end was near. We are finding that, there is very little freedom *from* religion.

Grey works for a large, global corporation which is very much about expressing its understanding that people have different faiths. It seems to care naught that some people have no faith, religiously speaking. There are prayer meetings going on when he is trying to work. Next to his office. He would very much like to just do his job without other people's religions interfering. But no one seems to care about that. It seems to me, that if you don't want to embrace a religion at this point in time, that you are on the outs. Period.

I am highly concerned about how much religion is impinging on the state. I did think, at one point, that there was a separation. I am seeing less and less of it now. I want my government to act for me secularly. I shall decide what it means for me spiritually. Stay out of my religious life. I can handle it on my own.

So, in the spirit of the bill...I proclaim a day of "Feasting and Swear". Anybody care to take up the banner?


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clauclauclaudia
clauclauclaudia
Claudia
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 05:14 pm (UTC)

Ah! Thank you of reminding me of a point I lost in the re-edit process. The picnic is added back in. ;-)

As for the swearing part, I don't see a need to be deliberately offensive to people. If they are offended by a picnic, that's one thing, but I don't want to bait people to the degree of swearing. It's not any individual act of worship that offends me, after all--it's what the legislators did, and what I expect Bush to do.


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drdemure
drdemure
DrDemure
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 05:33 pm (UTC)

And, with me, it's not so much a point of offending others. The "swear" part just mostly rhymes with "prayer". :) My big thing is that there is a whole lot of God going around, and there are lots of different interpretations of what "god" is. It's confusing the issue. A comic on Comedy Central last night said that, "Any time Republicans are in office, you see 'sodomy' in the headlines." And it's true. We are not combating mores. We are trying to subdue what some would see as an iminent threat. What does that have to do with religion? Why are we trying to fast and pray over this? The issues are being confused. Which is why there is still a glaring need for separation of church and state. We cannot be embroiled in a holy war. It might be one from some people's perspectives, but we have to act secularly. If we start to drag god into this, we are on the path of no return. The path the Middle East cannot, after centuries seem to find its way through, and a path which has caused some zealots to kill several thousand people in our country over. We have to say, ok...god is here...and we are there. The two just don't mix.


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emmacrew
emmacrew
Emma
Sat, Mar. 29th, 2003 07:50 pm (UTC)

I was thinking of a big pile of cream puffs, or something else similarly gooey and decadent and about as anti-fasting as one can get. And I thought of cussing a lot too...


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(Anonymous)
Sun, Mar. 30th, 2003 04:09 am (UTC)

I just want to point out that there are plenty of religious types who are also offended by HR 153. Among people who fast as a religious act, fasting is a serious thing. The command to fast should come only from religious leaders, and not from the government. The government itself asserts a separation between church and state which calling for fasting and prayer clearly violates.

For some people, fasting and prayer may be an appropriate response to war in Iraq. However, the government does not have the power to declare a day of fasting and prayer, and as a religious person, I believe it would be a violation of my religious principles to observe a government declared fast.

mattrolls


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